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【 在 topgenius 的大作中提到: 】
: 标  题: Goodbye, Rust. I wish you success but I'm back to C++[zz]
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Fri Nov 29 10:55:22 2024), 站内
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: Goodbye, Rust. I wish you success but I'm back to C++ (sorry, it is a rant)
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: In my 3 year run in Rust I did asynch/multithreaded code, FFI with bindgen, kernel programming without std. It was fun. But fun is over, I started a C++ position 1 month ago.
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: Rust is a superior technology to C++. It has better tools (cargo), better libraries ecosystem (crates.io), it cuts out a lot of crap (no OOP, no exceptions, memory handling, etc), it disciplines you to do the things the right way.
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: But Rust is better in the same way that Betamax was better than VHS, Mastodon is better than Twitter, Dvorak keyboards are better than QWERTY, Esperanto is better than English and Lua is better than Javascript: in communication technologies, adoption and
: critical mass are 90% of the game and the other 10% are bikeshedding, at best. And programming languages are a communication technology, they're means to communicate ideas to other programmers.
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: And the problem with Rust is that it just doesn't have critical mass and, frankly, I don't think it will ever have. Recently, Linus Torvalds complained somewhere that old C dinosaurs don't want to learn Rust. For higher level stuff (e.g.: web backends) Go
:  offers faster iteration cycles than Rust because it has a gentler learning curve and better compile times. Yes, Rust adoption is rising but competing technologies are also getting better (e.g.: safer C++ with better linting tools, JIT JavaScript and WASM
:  engines getting faster) or rising faster (Go).
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: And then there's the elephant in the room: Rust is almost irrelevant for finding jobs. The majority of the Rust programming jobs asks primarily for deep knowledge in specialized technologies: cryptocurrencies/blockchain, finance trading, machine learning/
: data analysis, obscure network protocols, cybersecurity, etc. In those positions, Rust expertise is, at most, a "nice to have". My point is that you'll never be hired for knowing Rust well but for knowing well the domain.
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: This very same sub-reddit is also part of the problem. I find it crazy that in other programming language subs (e.g.: Golang, C++) the jobs threads are always stickied at the top. I rarely see it in here. It is like "the first rule of Rust jobs is that no
:  one talks about Rust jobs".
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: There is an huge junkyard of technologies that failed to gain broad acceptance, many of them far more revolutionary than Rust (e.g.: Lisp, Smalltalk). I don't see why those technologies' story can be avoided.
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: It is worth mentioning: a big push in advancing programming languages was the support of big corporations. IBM pushed FORTRAN, AT&T pushed C, Microsoft pushed MS-Basic and C#, Sun pushed Java, Google pushed Python, Apple pushed Objective-C and Swift, web
: browsers pushed Javascript and most big companies pushed C++. I don't see that many strong sponsors firmly behind Rust and pushing for adoption by customers.
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: Edit: yeah, I know I'll be downvoted to oblivion because every sub-reddit is meant to be a circlejerk. No one likes inconvenient truths in reddit. But that is part of my point: a community that insulates itself will never become influential.
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: Edit 2: oh shit! My rant came to the top! Now I feel like a stupid whining child. Well done, guys... That was classy. Please don't take this post too seriously.
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rust 我感觉 另一大 问题是，很难 作为 第一语言

0 编程基础可能没法学会，尤其嵌入式本来就一堆 要学的 了， 再
加上rust 估计劝退率太高

啥时候 说说你rust嵌入式的 经历吧

【 在 lvsoft 的大作中提到: 】
: 标  题: Re: Goodbye, Rust. I wish you success but I'm back to C++[z
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Nov 30 23:59:46 2024), 站内
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: rust对我来说在嵌入式这个生态位已经无敌了。
: 当然，整个嵌入式领域非常大，倒也不能说rust统治了嵌入式，但在最常用的几个点带来了完全不同的风气。可以说这很多方面都碾压了c/cpp生态。
: 【 在 DreamDreams 的大作中提到: 】
: : 暂时看 华为 人才储备和 江湖地位都不够
: : 大概率 还不如rust， 如果rust 在Linux Kernel里 玩的好
: : 机会 还是 挺大的
: : ...................
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没那么容易， 真那么容易docker就不会出现

【 在 esmile 的大作中提到: 】
: 标  题: Re: Goodbye, Rust. I wish you success but I'm back to C++[z
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Thu Dec  5 10:04:36 2024), 站内
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: 多半是文档没写好，一个step by step的正确文档的话，无论啥都很快的
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: 【 在 DoorWay 的大作中提到: 】
: : 亮点是c++老手，照跑通C++例子要两天？哈哈哈哈? 反而Rust快一些。
: : 那主要是配置环境吗，还是哪里差了，他有没有讲
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省事 就是生产力

不是 图省事也 不用什么汇编 高级语言了，大家 手搓 机器码也能用

【 在 esmile 的大作中提到: 】
: 标  题: Re: Goodbye, Rust. I wish you success but I'm back to C++[z
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Thu Dec  5 10:20:07 2024), 站内
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: 嗯，我经常搞这些玩意儿，很少碰到搞不定的。搞不定的基本是文档问题，当然文档有
: 问题不等于搞不定。
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: docker不完全是因为搞不定，而是为了省事。。。譬如文档要求一个Ubuntu16，那我为
: 了安全就要新建一个16虚拟机，然后一步步安装各种依赖包，而不是用现成的当前环境
: 。。。
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: 【 在 DreamDreams 的大作中提到: 】
: : 还是那句话，docker 就这么来的
: : 环境哪是你一句 文档对就 搞定的事
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期待你的反馈了

【 在 lvsoft 的大作中提到: 】
: 标  题: Re: Goodbye, Rust. I wish you success but I'm back to C++[z
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Thu Dec  5 21:30:09 2024), 站内
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: 直接上linux + rust
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: 【 在 DreamDreams 的大作中提到: 】
: : 你准备 让他们直接学rust？还是先学个c 再 学rust？
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